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Mrs_Sweetpeach
Date: 2012-03-16 14:39
Subject: Trial outcome (and a question)
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Mood:sadsad
Music:too depressed to play any
Tags:homophobia, rl
FULL BREAKDOWN OF THE CHARGES AND EACH VERDICT:

COUNT 1
4th Degree Invasion of Privacy, related to Tyler Clementi: GUILTY
4th Degree Invasion of Privacy, related to Clementi's guest, M.B.: GUILTY(Observed Clementi/M.B. in sexual contact without their consent on Sept. 19)
If Guilty, jury proceeds to count 2; if Not Guilty, jury skips count 2 and proceeds to count 3

COUNT 2
3rd Degree Bias Intimidation (For 4th Degree Invasion of Privacy charge on Sept. 19)
• Invasion of Privacy with the purpose to intimidate Tyler Clementi because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED
• Invasion of Privacy with the purpose to intimidate M.B. because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED
• Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause Tyler Clementi to be intimidated because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED
• Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause M.B. to be intimidated because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED
• Invasion of Privacy, under circumstances that caused Tyler Clementi to be intimidated, and considering the manner in which the offense was committed, Clementi reasonably believed that he was selected to be the target of the offense because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

COUNT 3
3rd Degree Invasion of Privacy, related to Tyler Clementi: GUILTY
3rd Degree Invasion of Privacy, related to M.B.: GUILTY(Activated webcam so other people could view Clementi/M.B. in sexual contact on Sept 19.)
If Guilty, jury proceeds to count 4; if Not Guilty, jury skips count 4 and proceeds to count 5

COUNT 4
2nd Degree Bias Intimidation(For 3rd Degree Invasion of Privacy charge on Sept. 19)
• Invasion of Privacy, with the purpose to intimidate Tyler Clementi because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED
• Invasion of Privacy, with the purpose to intimidate M.B. because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED
• Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause Tyler Clementi to be intimidated because of sexual orientation: GUILTY
• Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause M.B. to be intimidated, because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED
• Invasion of Privacy, under circumstances that caused Tyler Clementi to be intimidated, and considering the manner in which the offense was committed, Clementi reasonably believed that he was selected to be the target of the offense because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

COUNT 5
4th Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy, related to Tyler Clementi: GUILTY
4th Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy, related to M.B.: GUILTY(Tried to observe Clementi/M.B. in sexual contact without their consent on Sept. 21)
If Guilty, jury proceeds to count 6; if Not Guilty, jury skips count 6 and proceeds to count 7

COUNT 6
3rd Degree Bias Intimidation(For 4th Degree Invasion of Privacy charge on Sept. 21)
• Invasion of Privacy, with the purpose to intimidate Tyler Clementi because of sexual orientation: GUILTY
• Invasion of Privacy, with the purpose to intimidate M.B. because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED
• Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause Tyler Clementi to be intimated because of sexual orientation: GUILTY
• Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause M.B. to be intimidated because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED
• Invasion of Privacy, under circumstances that caused Tyler Clementi to be intimidated, and considering the manner in which the offense was committed, Clementi reasonably believed that he was selected to be the target of the offense because of sexual orientation: GUILTYCOUNT 7
3rd Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy, related to Tyler Clementi: GUILTY
3rd Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy, related to M.B.: GUILTY(Tried to show Clementi/M.B. in sexual contact to other people on Sept. 21)
If Guilty, jury proceeds to count 8; if Not Guilty, jury skips count 8 and proceeds to count 9

COUNT 8
2nd Degree Bias Intimidation(For 3rd Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy charge on Sept. 21)
• Invasion of Privacy, with the purpose to intimidate Tyler Clementi because of sexual orientation: GUILTY
• Invasion of Privacy, with the purpose to intimidate M.B. because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED
• Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause Tyler Clementi to be intimidated because of sexual orientation: GUILTY
• Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause M.B. to be intimidated because of sexual orientation: ACQUITTED
• Invasion of Privacy, under circumstances that caused Tyler Clementi to be intimidated, and considering the manner in which the offense was committed, Clementi reasonably believed that he was selected to be the target of the offense because of sexual orientation: GUILTY
COUNT 9COUNT 94th Degree Tampering with Physical Evidence: GUILTY(Deleted tweets relevant to police investigation)

COUNT 10
4th Degree Tampering with Physical Evidence: GUILTY(Wrote and posted a false tweet)

COUNT 11
3rd Degree Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution: GUILTY(Destroyed evidence relevant to investigation)

COUNT 12
3rd Degree Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution: GUILTY(Prevented a witness from providing testimony)

COUNT 13
3rd Degree Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution: GUILTY(Lied to police)

COUNT 14
3rd Degree Witness Tampering: GUILTY(Tried to influence what Molly Wei told police)

COUNT 15
4th Degree Tampering with Physical Evidence: GUILTY(Deleted text messages sent to and received from witnesses)




In a legal sense, is with the purpose to intimidate the same thing as wanted to embarrass? What Ravi did was flat-out wrong but I remain puzzled as to what it was he was trying to accomplish by spying on his roommate.

Does anyone know whether Ravi's actions were borne out of homophobia -- an actual fear of homosexuality and/or gay people -- or whether his spying came out of overwhelming curiosity? Not that I agree with Altman's argument that Ravi "hasn't lived long enough to have any experience with homosexuality or gays." I was in high school during the late 1970s and even back then it would have been impossible to graduate without any experience.

I'm sad that Clementi dead, I'm sad for his friends and parents, and I'm troubled by the prejudice against people from India I'm seeing in the comments in articles about the trial.

This entry was originally posted at http://mrs-sweetpeach.dreamwidth.org/345967.html.
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Mrs_Sweetpeach
User: mrs_sweetpeach
Date: 2012-03-16 22:14 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
but if that were his only reason behind his actions why did he show the footage to other people?

Yeah, I've been wondering that too. I really don't understand his motivation. And why I'm wondering if his goal was embarrassing Clementi into not bringing men/boyfriends into their shared room. Which I suppose is a form of intimidation (although to me intimidation is generally of the form "I shall beat you up/shoot you/wreck your store if you do not give me money/do what I tell you).

And he's so smug

Oh yeah. I know it's wrong to judge a book by its cover, but I've yet to see a photograph of Ravi that makes me think I'd want to meet him. The best reaction I've had is that he reminds of one of the stills from the opening of The Brady Bunch. I think I'm reacting to his curly hair and the the elongated nature of his head/face.

As for turning down the plea deal, that was not a good move. The plea deal was a sweet offer and seemed to me to be more than fair.

Although I want to see Ravi punished, what I want even more is for him to come out of the situation (trial, jail, prison, the whole thing) having learned something. I want him to come out enlightened -- truly understanding that what he did was wrong and wanting to do his very best to improve life for everyone his actions harmed. And seeing as he was responsible for the death of a musician, I feel he's harmed everyone who would have been gifted with Clementi's music had he lived. That's a huge debt to pay. And one he has little hope of paying through a forfeiture of freedom alone.

Edited at 2012-03-16 10:21 pm (UTC)
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Mrs_Sweetpeach
User: mrs_sweetpeach
Date: 2012-03-17 00:36 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I don't think I'm a better person -- there are some people for whom I cannot muster any sympathy whatsoever. For example, the person who replaced JiM at her previous job. Reading that she's having trouble filling JiM's shoes put the biggest smile on my face today.

Most of the time, though, I remind myself of the one detective from First 48 -- can't think of his name, nor where he works, but I remember him lamenting at the end of one episode that solution to the crimes often leave him feeling bad for everyone (the victims, the perpetrators, and the family members from both sides). All too often the killers are very young men who now face spending the rest of their lives in prison. Some of these men are sociopaths who need to be put away for the safety of everyone one else, but a greater number come from impoverished backgrounds, are too young to have fully developed brains, wanted easy money, and through exposure to gangs and drug culture, grew up thinking using drugs and committing crimes are just normal parts of life and that if it weren't for the cops getting in the way (and for stupid laws designed to keep people like themselves impoverished and living under crappy conditions), what they do should not be illegal.

Perhaps oddly, I'm in favor of the legalization of marijuana and the decriminalization of heroin and cocaine. I also think better treatments need to be found (turns out there really is one for heroin but you can't legally get it here in the states). Most of all though, I think it's hopelessness that makes people want to use drugs and if the underlying causes of that could be addressed, I think the nation would be in much better shape than it is today.
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Mrs_Sweetpeach
User: mrs_sweetpeach
Date: 2012-03-17 01:48 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
I can't shake the feeling that he grew up feeling entitled in some way. Like his parents treated him like he walked on water or something. I just keep coming back to what I can't help feeling is lack of remorse. I don't know if that's upbringing or some sort of psychiatric problem. I wonder if he was ever examined.

I'm more inclined to think it was his upbringing rather than psychiatric issues. I used to work for a company that was owned by an India-born engineer and that employed more people from India and Pakistan than any other group. On the positive side, working there taught me what it must be like working for the U.N. -- we had people from all over the world, followers of just about every religion I can name, and all who dressed differently, spoke different languages, ate different foods, and who believed that their own culture was provably better than all others. On the down side, working there taught me that Indians, especially those from the higher castes, truly believe they are superior to everyone else -- smarter and more deserving of the good things in life. They are also completely blind to their sense of entitlement.

Edited at 2012-03-17 01:50 am (UTC)
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Jen
User: greenlady2
Date: 2012-03-18 02:47 (UTC)
Subject: (no subject)
Okay. I've been trying to make sense of Ravi's actions.

If he was concerned about having a gay roommate, why not just ask for another roommate? As far as I know, this is possible. He wouldn't have to say it was because Clementi was gay, just that they were incompatible or something. If he was nervous about some strange man coming into his room, why not say this to Clementi? Just -- "I'm concerned about a stranger in our rooms. Be careful!" Putting the video online? Makes no sense in the context, unless he was acting out of homophobia, and the desire to humiliate Clementi. That's why people do these things, I guess. Haven't had any experience with such things, myself, so I can't say for sure.
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